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    Governor moved fast on this

    This would have stopped him from buying guns through the pawn shop. Who's to say he wouldn't have gone to another source (such as a gunshow or black market). And then there are the ones that own guns already, and "go postal" after the fact.
    But perhaps it will deter someone else in the future.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/30/gun....ap/index.html

    Governor closes loophole that let Cho get guns

    RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) -- Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine said Monday he has closed the loophole that allowed a mentally disturbed Virginia Tech student to acquire the guns he used to kill 32 students and faculty members.

    Kaine issued an executive order requiring that a database of people who are prohibited from buying guns include anyone found to be dangerous and ordered to undergo involuntary mental health treatment.

    Seung-Hui Cho had been ordered by a court to undergo psychiatric counseling after a judge ruled that he was a danger to himself.

    But because Cho was treated as an outpatient and never committed to a mental health hospital, the court finding never made it into the database that gun dealers must check before selling a firearm. The law prohibits selling firearms to people judged to have mental disabilities.

    "Whether that treatment is to be provided in an inpatient or outpatient facility is of no moment," Kaine said.

    Cho did not disclose his mental health problems or the court-ordered treatment in a form he completed before buying the guns.

    "His lie on the form would have been caught," had the order been in place before Cho attempted to buy the guns, Kaine said.

    But it would not prevent Cho from acquiring guns by several other means that require no background check in Virginia, including buy-and-trade publications, individual transactions among gun collectors or hobbyists, and gun shows -- vast firearms bazaars where scores of people sell or swap firearms.

    Legislation that would also subject firearms sales at gun shows to instant background checks is introduced annually in Virginia, and just as often it dies without reaching a floor vote in the General Assembly.

    Kaine, a Democrat, has said he expects new support for the legislation this year and that he would support it, as he has in the past.

    The executive order does not apply to people who seek mental health care of their own will. After the report is added to Virginia's state police database, it becomes part of a federal database that gun dealers nationwide use.

    Cho, a 23-year-old Virginia Tech senior described as a troubled loner, bought his guns legally through gun shops before gunning down 32 people on campus, then killing himself.

    No motive has been established for his rampage.

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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    <span style='font-size: 17pt'>FIREARM SALES AT GUN SHOW ARE SUBJECT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK PROVIDED THE SELLER IS A LICENSED DEALER AND A 4473 IS COMPLETED.

    THE SO-CALLED 'GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE' IS A MYTH.

    ONLY PRIVATE SALES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE BACKGROUND CHECK. </span>
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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    A little loud there NSSB.
    Still doesn't remove the black market (or as you said - even private sales) as an option.

    For the record, and so maybe you won't yell so much, I'm not much of an increased gun control law advocate. Gun control only controls those that are legal in their actions in the first place.
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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    <span style='font-size: 14pt'>PRIVATE SALES DO NOT EQUAL THE 'BLACK MARKET'. </span>
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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    I never said that. They are two separate options.
    You'll shoot your eye out.

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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    guns dont kill people,people who use them dumb kill people.
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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This would have stopped him from buying guns through the pawn shop. Who's to say he wouldn't have gone to another source (such as a gunshow or black market). And then there are the ones that own guns already, and "go postal" after the fact.
    But perhaps it will deter someone else in the future.

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    this is sort of like closing the barn door after all the cows have escaped. it might prove useful, but i see it more as a typical political ploy to make himself look good.

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    Re: Governor moved fast on this

    people will always be able to get their hands on guns if they want them no matter what law is put in effect. very similar to drugs.
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